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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
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		<description>Maureen: I definitely agree with you. I also think that the advantages of &quot;static fiction&quot; are based on its alphabetic nature: easily transferable, cheap to make, able to be duplicated in a variety of forms. Really old values, I guess. But those in themselves, I think, create a kind of political (lowercase p) stance. 


Dave: &quot;prose that matters&quot; can have a lot of concentricity--on a variety of levels, personal and political. And yeah, I know that the nonfiction titles brought up in the excerpt aren&#039;t exactly transferable to our little fictive world. I worry, I guess, that the assumed expectations to please those on the art school steps somehow bleed into the conditions that allow that slippery &quot;prose that matters&quot; find its audience. Or whether people in the future will even have the tools to recognize it when they see it (to see depth instead of surface play). Stories have their built-in toolboxes to teach readers how to read them, but...what is the baseline of basic skills?

Or is this a moot point--or a prophecy already fulfilled? People already aren&#039;t reading much. But in the community that supposedly is supposed to CARE about these things, at least nominally, it seems that there can be precious little about the work itself. &quot;Show your work&quot; (as your blog puts it) should involve some actual work.  

Perhaps this is needless worry. Perhaps these things will work themselves out, like they always seem to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maureen: I definitely agree with you. I also think that the advantages of &#8220;static fiction&#8221; are based on its alphabetic nature: easily transferable, cheap to make, able to be duplicated in a variety of forms. Really old values, I guess. But those in themselves, I think, create a kind of political (lowercase p) stance. </p>
<p>Dave: &#8220;prose that matters&#8221; can have a lot of concentricity&#8211;on a variety of levels, personal and political. And yeah, I know that the nonfiction titles brought up in the excerpt aren&#8217;t exactly transferable to our little fictive world. I worry, I guess, that the assumed expectations to please those on the art school steps somehow bleed into the conditions that allow that slippery &#8220;prose that matters&#8221; find its audience. Or whether people in the future will even have the tools to recognize it when they see it (to see depth instead of surface play). Stories have their built-in toolboxes to teach readers how to read them, but&#8230;what is the baseline of basic skills?</p>
<p>Or is this a moot point&#8211;or a prophecy already fulfilled? People already aren&#8217;t reading much. But in the community that supposedly is supposed to CARE about these things, at least nominally, it seems that there can be precious little about the work itself. &#8220;Show your work&#8221; (as your blog puts it) should involve some actual work.  </p>
<p>Perhaps this is needless worry. Perhaps these things will work themselves out, like they always seem to do.</p>
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		<title>By: David Moles</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Moles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are other ways to go about becoming a good writer than building a career as a sketchy self-help guru and then wrapping a handful of pop-psychology bullet points in a threadbare pseudo-adventure pseudo-narrative that would shame Dan Brown and publishing it yourself, but that didn&#039;t stop the guy who wrote &lt;i&gt;The Celestine Prophecy.&lt;/i&gt;

Mr. Nawotka is putting the horseless carriage before the buggywhip. There&#039;s always been people who wanted to be microcelebrities but didn&#039;t have anything to say; the difference is that once (Upon A Time at any rate) you could become a microcelebrity by writing a book, and now -- because there are so many more microcelebrities and so many more ways to become one -- a book is something (one of the things a book can be, is something) a microcelebrity (&quot;wine guy,&quot; &quot;business guru&quot;) writes, an accessory, a tie-in,  to extend their microcelebrity brand. (You -- as a fan --  don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; to read it, just buy it and tweet to other fans that you bought it. And maybe the author tweets back!) It&#039;s got fuck-all to do with prose that matters.

(There&#039;s always been people that didn&#039;t want to draw but wanted to sit on the steps of the art school in black turtlenecks smoking Gitanes, too. It&#039;s not the same thing -- or is it? But it hasn&#039;t got a whole lot to do with prose that matters either.)

I wonder, really, about this prose that matters business. I wonder increasingly if prose as culture (high culture, pop culture) wasn&#039;t essentially a nineteenth-century phenomenon, born with the industrial press, dead with the &lt;i&gt;Saturday Evening Post&lt;/i&gt;. Maybe we&#039;re fucked this century, stumbling around in the ruins of all that, and prose as a medium will have to wait a few generations for somebody raised on socially-networked massively-multiplayer location-aware cross-media participatory Culture 2.0 to rediscover it as outsider art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are other ways to go about becoming a good writer than building a career as a sketchy self-help guru and then wrapping a handful of pop-psychology bullet points in a threadbare pseudo-adventure pseudo-narrative that would shame Dan Brown and publishing it yourself, but that didn&#8217;t stop the guy who wrote <i>The Celestine Prophecy.</i></p>
<p>Mr. Nawotka is putting the horseless carriage before the buggywhip. There&#8217;s always been people who wanted to be microcelebrities but didn&#8217;t have anything to say; the difference is that once (Upon A Time at any rate) you could become a microcelebrity by writing a book, and now &#8212; because there are so many more microcelebrities and so many more ways to become one &#8212; a book is something (one of the things a book can be, is something) a microcelebrity (&#8220;wine guy,&#8221; &#8220;business guru&#8221;) writes, an accessory, a tie-in,  to extend their microcelebrity brand. (You &#8212; as a fan &#8212;  don&#8217;t <i>have</i> to read it, just buy it and tweet to other fans that you bought it. And maybe the author tweets back!) It&#8217;s got fuck-all to do with prose that matters.</p>
<p>(There&#8217;s always been people that didn&#8217;t want to draw but wanted to sit on the steps of the art school in black turtlenecks smoking Gitanes, too. It&#8217;s not the same thing &#8212; or is it? But it hasn&#8217;t got a whole lot to do with prose that matters either.)</p>
<p>I wonder, really, about this prose that matters business. I wonder increasingly if prose as culture (high culture, pop culture) wasn&#8217;t essentially a nineteenth-century phenomenon, born with the industrial press, dead with the <i>Saturday Evening Post</i>. Maybe we&#8217;re fucked this century, stumbling around in the ruins of all that, and prose as a medium will have to wait a few generations for somebody raised on socially-networked massively-multiplayer location-aware cross-media participatory Culture 2.0 to rediscover it as outsider art.</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen McHugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maureen McHugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 03:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things that digital media, transmedia, whatever you want to call it, is proving, is that &#039;story isn&#039;t broken&#039; to quote Sean Stewart.  The medium will change the shape of the story, for sure, but efforts to crowdsource fiction have been pretty spectacular failures.  The brave new world really doesn&#039;t mean literature by consensus.  

It does mean, alas, that for awhile at least while things are figured out, it&#039;s going to get even harder to get paid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things that digital media, transmedia, whatever you want to call it, is proving, is that &#8216;story isn&#8217;t broken&#8217; to quote Sean Stewart.  The medium will change the shape of the story, for sure, but efforts to crowdsource fiction have been pretty spectacular failures.  The brave new world really doesn&#8217;t mean literature by consensus.  </p>
<p>It does mean, alas, that for awhile at least while things are figured out, it&#8217;s going to get even harder to get paid.</p>
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